I_need_GC
07-07 12:57 PM
The attorney i had was Jeffries expensive but good.
I have a BS in biology and computers (was on F1 visa)
Then I did research on cancer cells at the university while trying to get into Graduate school. Got my MS in information Science and also an MBA.
For MBA I did my research on Economic growth and Military spending.
After MS i got job h1b for a research facility was doing mba at the same time. Switched employer to work for a multi national corporation. Quite my job for multi national because they would not apply green card started work for a consulting body shop they apply for my green card.
Now Soon I will give my resignation.
I have a BS in biology and computers (was on F1 visa)
Then I did research on cancer cells at the university while trying to get into Graduate school. Got my MS in information Science and also an MBA.
For MBA I did my research on Economic growth and Military spending.
After MS i got job h1b for a research facility was doing mba at the same time. Switched employer to work for a multi national corporation. Quite my job for multi national because they would not apply green card started work for a consulting body shop they apply for my green card.
Now Soon I will give my resignation.
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gulti_bhai
03-25 03:57 PM
I guess by the end of FY-11, EB2 cutoff will reach Dec 2006 or early 2007.. but movement from there on would be slow as many are started porting now.. In any case I don't there will be more than 10K porting per year.. If porting exceed more than 10K, EB2 progress will be slow.. Good luck to all
axp817
12-09 09:33 PM
I recently switched employers using AC21 and am using my EAD to work for the new employer.
I used to be on the H-1B visa when I was working for the old employer, they had applied for renewal just before I left, and it got approved right around that time. Now that I don't work for them anymore, they are having the H-1B revoked. Of course, they were kind/professional enough to intimate me of this before doing so.
I am wondering if this could have any adverse effect on my 485, or if it could provoke an RFE? Any thoughts/stories would be appreciated.
Thanks,
I used to be on the H-1B visa when I was working for the old employer, they had applied for renewal just before I left, and it got approved right around that time. Now that I don't work for them anymore, they are having the H-1B revoked. Of course, they were kind/professional enough to intimate me of this before doing so.
I am wondering if this could have any adverse effect on my 485, or if it could provoke an RFE? Any thoughts/stories would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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aristotle
05-30 05:50 PM
Thats good news. Hope it works. My feeling is that EB category will have more support in the Senate if they dont overdo the helpful provisions (read cap exempt etc..).
Fragomen Website talks about the bill and the amendment to the bill to reinstate most of the SKIL bill provisions. Perhaps, this amendment will be considered in the senate.
http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/9c1274840ebee3c3852572eb006fde98?OpenDocument
Fragomen Website talks about the bill and the amendment to the bill to reinstate most of the SKIL bill provisions. Perhaps, this amendment will be considered in the senate.
http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/9c1274840ebee3c3852572eb006fde98?OpenDocument
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pdFeb09
06-15 04:13 PM
I have EAD. Just like GC. So, what else make difference..
Thanks
Ksvreg, you are in a good position and may not be in a hurry to get the GC. You may not want to port and and may want to stick around until your PD becomes current. The only reason you may want to port is if you want to be done with the process. But may not be worth the risk. It is your personal choice.
People who are frustrated are the ones from 2005,2006,2007 onwards ...... who missed the 2007 Fiasco for whatever reason. Now EB2 (Oct) 2005 is current but EB3 2005 is far away.
They do not have EAD like you, and will not get EAD for looooooooooong time(think 10s of years) unless they port or immigration reform comes along.
They can cut down on the "wait" time by 10-15-20 years if they port. I guess that would be a good and sufficient reason :)
Thanks
Ksvreg, you are in a good position and may not be in a hurry to get the GC. You may not want to port and and may want to stick around until your PD becomes current. The only reason you may want to port is if you want to be done with the process. But may not be worth the risk. It is your personal choice.
People who are frustrated are the ones from 2005,2006,2007 onwards ...... who missed the 2007 Fiasco for whatever reason. Now EB2 (Oct) 2005 is current but EB3 2005 is far away.
They do not have EAD like you, and will not get EAD for looooooooooong time(think 10s of years) unless they port or immigration reform comes along.
They can cut down on the "wait" time by 10-15-20 years if they port. I guess that would be a good and sufficient reason :)
va_labor2002
07-06 02:32 PM
Please send your immigration problems and bad experiences to Douglas Montero, New York Post Reporter. He has published article on immigration matters earlier. He may listen to legal immigration issues.
Douglas Montero's email Id : douglas.montero@nypost.com
Douglas Montero's email Id : douglas.montero@nypost.com
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walking_dude
09-20 02:16 PM
Nothing succeeds without leadership and proper plans. If we go by the current rule - every one is a leader - we will learn soon 'Too many Cooks spoiled the broth'. If each person steering the boat paddles in a different direction, boat will go in circles.
Focus is the most important factor in success. Right now, I'm focussed on what's getting posted here, as I don't have anything else to focus on till I hear the next secret broadcast , which I never get.
Sales/Marketing is severely lacked in promoting State chapters. IV website does provide good info on filing 485, other forms, suggestions etc. What's the incentive in becoming a State chapter member? What are the costs vs. benefits? Unless people find benefits they'll not volunteer. It's hard to sell only 'action items'. Baits such as Free legal help, help filling Immigration forms (by experienced members) etc. may motivate people and make them sympathetic to our cause.
If we stick to 'Don't ask what we can do for you, ask what you can do for us', we won't go far with it.
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
Focus is the most important factor in success. Right now, I'm focussed on what's getting posted here, as I don't have anything else to focus on till I hear the next secret broadcast , which I never get.
Sales/Marketing is severely lacked in promoting State chapters. IV website does provide good info on filing 485, other forms, suggestions etc. What's the incentive in becoming a State chapter member? What are the costs vs. benefits? Unless people find benefits they'll not volunteer. It's hard to sell only 'action items'. Baits such as Free legal help, help filling Immigration forms (by experienced members) etc. may motivate people and make them sympathetic to our cause.
If we stick to 'Don't ask what we can do for you, ask what you can do for us', we won't go far with it.
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
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arihant
07-08 12:41 PM
Does an MBA from a foriegn University Qualify for an exemption of CAP of EB2 Visas?
I was thinking one has to MS in a US university to qualify.
Thanks for further clarifying.
There are two categories of people who will qualify for the exemption
1) Any person with any advanced degree from a US university. There fore the following would qualify as examples:
a) MS in Computer Science
b) PhD in Mechanical Engineering
c) MBA
d) MS in Physics
e) MS in English
2) Any person with an advanced degree in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) from a non-US university (i.e. minimum of 18 years of education: 12 years of school + 4 years of bachelors + 2 years of masters) + minimum 3 years of work experience in US in a "related" field. There fore the following would qualify as examples:
a) 4 year bachelors + 2 years of M. Tech in Chemical Engineering from China + 3 years as a chemical engineer in a company in US.
b) 3 year bachelors + 2 yeas of masters + PhD in mathematics from India + 3 years in mathematics related field in a company in US.
3) The following as examples would not qualify:
a) MBA from a non-US univ.
b) 3 years bachelors + 2 years masters from a non-US univ.
c) Masters in English from a non-US univ.
I was thinking one has to MS in a US university to qualify.
Thanks for further clarifying.
There are two categories of people who will qualify for the exemption
1) Any person with any advanced degree from a US university. There fore the following would qualify as examples:
a) MS in Computer Science
b) PhD in Mechanical Engineering
c) MBA
d) MS in Physics
e) MS in English
2) Any person with an advanced degree in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) from a non-US university (i.e. minimum of 18 years of education: 12 years of school + 4 years of bachelors + 2 years of masters) + minimum 3 years of work experience in US in a "related" field. There fore the following would qualify as examples:
a) 4 year bachelors + 2 years of M. Tech in Chemical Engineering from China + 3 years as a chemical engineer in a company in US.
b) 3 year bachelors + 2 yeas of masters + PhD in mathematics from India + 3 years in mathematics related field in a company in US.
3) The following as examples would not qualify:
a) MBA from a non-US univ.
b) 3 years bachelors + 2 years masters from a non-US univ.
c) Masters in English from a non-US univ.
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lakshman.easwaran
07-23 01:31 PM
My I-140 was filed on July 9, 2007, USCIS received it on July 10, 2007. Just heard from lawyer that they received my 140 receipt. The date on the receipt is July 16, 2007. My I-140 was sent to NSC.
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somegchuh
07-18 04:43 PM
Guys,
I have pretty much the same story and am in pretty much the same situation due to PBEC and now retrogression.
I don't think returning back as a knee jerk reaction is a good idea. If you have already been here 8-9 years obviously you have been stuck in a programming job for the last 10+ years. You can't take programming experience back to home country and ask for management position. You will get no programming position because you are over qualified and no management position because you don't have the experience.
However horrible it sounds, its best to stick it out. I am personally ready to stick it out for at least 1.5 years. After that I will be forced to make a decision otherwise I will lose my canadian PR also.
Let's talk about three things:
1. Make efforts to get GC.
2. Plan for your future: Enhance your education, apply for PR in another developed country.
3. Make your present better: Enjoy everyday, don't worry about GC.
I was thinking about PMI, CISA and MBA right from the time I landed in US in 1999. Then I realized that I need to get an GC to make use of those. Then I started to look for a stable company where I can start my GC process. It took three years toll till then. I joined a good ameican company as a perm employee. They did not file my GC as they promised and I had to quit to join another company for the heck of my GC and for my (my wife with CPA / CA is on H4 for 5th year now) dream career. I had to go many step back in technology with the new company but I sucessfully managed to file my GC.
Then what? When I finished studying my PMI, all the retrogression story started. Then I had to ask questions my self.
1. With PMI certification in 2004, if I am doing a Sr. Software engineer, will it not raise questions down the line in my career interviews. May be yes or no, but I do not have answers.
2. With PMI Cert in 2004, if I can get my GC in 2005, I am pretty sure I could manage any questions throws at me, but not in 2008 or 2010. So I dropped the idea on PMI / CISA/ GMAT until I have 50% certanity of when I will be getting my GC in hand.
3. The worst will be starting an MBA with good univeristy and competing it in next two years with zero hope of getting GC then. What would you do if you are not even closer to file your 485 when you have MBA degree in hand. You will have career in your home country with this MBA for sure, but who will pay your debts here. It is like shooting yourself on your foot with golden gun. Atleast you will be satsifed it is golden gun, but the end result is hurting yourselves.
4. So what is the option? Never give up. There are always difficult times for everyone. What we are facing is nothing. There are people who are graduating at the age of 70 in US. I have seen a lady at the age of 70 graduating with MAB from Harvard. I thought she did it for fun, but in an interview she said she wants to pursue her career in marketing field. This is an eye opener for me. So prepare yourself with TOEFL and GMAT. These scores are valid for 5 years. Join from volunteer organizations and develop your leadership skills. Reco letters from these orgs will have great impact when you apply for MBA infuture. Most of all it is right way to live a peaceful life atleast if you do not go the MBA route, you will develop the skills needed for your life.
I have pretty much the same story and am in pretty much the same situation due to PBEC and now retrogression.
I don't think returning back as a knee jerk reaction is a good idea. If you have already been here 8-9 years obviously you have been stuck in a programming job for the last 10+ years. You can't take programming experience back to home country and ask for management position. You will get no programming position because you are over qualified and no management position because you don't have the experience.
However horrible it sounds, its best to stick it out. I am personally ready to stick it out for at least 1.5 years. After that I will be forced to make a decision otherwise I will lose my canadian PR also.
Let's talk about three things:
1. Make efforts to get GC.
2. Plan for your future: Enhance your education, apply for PR in another developed country.
3. Make your present better: Enjoy everyday, don't worry about GC.
I was thinking about PMI, CISA and MBA right from the time I landed in US in 1999. Then I realized that I need to get an GC to make use of those. Then I started to look for a stable company where I can start my GC process. It took three years toll till then. I joined a good ameican company as a perm employee. They did not file my GC as they promised and I had to quit to join another company for the heck of my GC and for my (my wife with CPA / CA is on H4 for 5th year now) dream career. I had to go many step back in technology with the new company but I sucessfully managed to file my GC.
Then what? When I finished studying my PMI, all the retrogression story started. Then I had to ask questions my self.
1. With PMI certification in 2004, if I am doing a Sr. Software engineer, will it not raise questions down the line in my career interviews. May be yes or no, but I do not have answers.
2. With PMI Cert in 2004, if I can get my GC in 2005, I am pretty sure I could manage any questions throws at me, but not in 2008 or 2010. So I dropped the idea on PMI / CISA/ GMAT until I have 50% certanity of when I will be getting my GC in hand.
3. The worst will be starting an MBA with good univeristy and competing it in next two years with zero hope of getting GC then. What would you do if you are not even closer to file your 485 when you have MBA degree in hand. You will have career in your home country with this MBA for sure, but who will pay your debts here. It is like shooting yourself on your foot with golden gun. Atleast you will be satsifed it is golden gun, but the end result is hurting yourselves.
4. So what is the option? Never give up. There are always difficult times for everyone. What we are facing is nothing. There are people who are graduating at the age of 70 in US. I have seen a lady at the age of 70 graduating with MAB from Harvard. I thought she did it for fun, but in an interview she said she wants to pursue her career in marketing field. This is an eye opener for me. So prepare yourself with TOEFL and GMAT. These scores are valid for 5 years. Join from volunteer organizations and develop your leadership skills. Reco letters from these orgs will have great impact when you apply for MBA infuture. Most of all it is right way to live a peaceful life atleast if you do not go the MBA route, you will develop the skills needed for your life.
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Humhongekamyab
05-29 05:02 PM
I flew Air France once in 2003. My connecting flight from Paris to Delhi got delayed by 12 hours. When I approached the Air France staff, they told me that since I had an Indian passport, I would have to wait out the entire time in the transit area. Meanwhile, they proceeded to make arrangements for other non-Indian passengers. They even refused to acknowledge my attempts to reason with them, either not replying to me, or replying only in French. I filed a formal complaint afterwards, but never got a reply.
I have travelled on numerous times since then, but never with Air France. I don't even consider them as an option anymore.
Sparky I had same experience in 2003 only my next flight was after 24 hours. They refused to accommodate me in a hotel or on another flight though they had sense to issue me a calling card for 10 euros and a meal coupon. I have never flow AF since that day (even if their tickets are cheaper) and neither has any of my friends or family member. Every time I hear somebody is planning to fly to India, I tell them my story and trust me nobody I know has flow with AF since 2003.
I have travelled on numerous times since then, but never with Air France. I don't even consider them as an option anymore.
Sparky I had same experience in 2003 only my next flight was after 24 hours. They refused to accommodate me in a hotel or on another flight though they had sense to issue me a calling card for 10 euros and a meal coupon. I have never flow AF since that day (even if their tickets are cheaper) and neither has any of my friends or family member. Every time I hear somebody is planning to fly to India, I tell them my story and trust me nobody I know has flow with AF since 2003.
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piyushpan
03-17 02:53 PM
Hi,
Based on the summary if you re-look at the student visa section of Bill Frist's bill
`(2) STUDENT VISAS- Notwithstanding the requirement under paragraph (1)(C), an alien may file an application for adjustment of status under this section if--
`(A) the alien has been issued a visa or otherwise provided nonimmigrant status under section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv), or would have qualified for such nonimmigrant status if section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv) had been enacted before such alien's graduation;
`(B) the alien has earned an advanced degree in the sciences, technology, engineering, or mathematics;
`(C) the alien is the beneficiary of a petition filed under subparagraph (E) or (F) of section 204(a)(1); and
`(D) a fee of $1,000 is remitted to the Secretary on behalf of the alien.
`(3) LIMITATION- An application for adjustment of status filed under this section may not be approved until an immigrant visa number becomes available.'.
What this really means is a masters student can adjust to immigrant visa status although his visa application will get approved only when the visa is available. If i have understood this correctly this means that this is similar to the S-1932 provision wherein you can adjust your status although approval will happen only when immigrant visa is available.(provided one is masters)
Or have i got this wrong?
Comments? If i am interpreting this correctly it is another big boost for people who have either not worked 3 yrs as yet on H1B or have a masters degree unrelated to the profession they are working in.
Based on the summary if you re-look at the student visa section of Bill Frist's bill
`(2) STUDENT VISAS- Notwithstanding the requirement under paragraph (1)(C), an alien may file an application for adjustment of status under this section if--
`(A) the alien has been issued a visa or otherwise provided nonimmigrant status under section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv), or would have qualified for such nonimmigrant status if section 101(a)(15)(F)(iv) had been enacted before such alien's graduation;
`(B) the alien has earned an advanced degree in the sciences, technology, engineering, or mathematics;
`(C) the alien is the beneficiary of a petition filed under subparagraph (E) or (F) of section 204(a)(1); and
`(D) a fee of $1,000 is remitted to the Secretary on behalf of the alien.
`(3) LIMITATION- An application for adjustment of status filed under this section may not be approved until an immigrant visa number becomes available.'.
What this really means is a masters student can adjust to immigrant visa status although his visa application will get approved only when the visa is available. If i have understood this correctly this means that this is similar to the S-1932 provision wherein you can adjust your status although approval will happen only when immigrant visa is available.(provided one is masters)
Or have i got this wrong?
Comments? If i am interpreting this correctly it is another big boost for people who have either not worked 3 yrs as yet on H1B or have a masters degree unrelated to the profession they are working in.
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GC08
06-02 05:07 PM
This sounds unfair. Because of the backlogs, you have waited 6 years. Now you got laid off and you lost everything. Would that be the situation if there was no backlog and you were able to get your green card within, say 2 or 4 years?
I think those government agencies should take responsibilities and compensate for your loss.
Anyone thought about that?
:mad:
I think those government agencies should take responsibilities and compensate for your loss.
Anyone thought about that?
:mad:
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shyamsk
05-20 06:13 PM
Hi Everyone,
After checking in google, I found this information and felt very happy about it.
Until yesterday I was not aware of this condition and expecting the benefit from IRS. After checking the IRS schedule and validating the benefit, I was shocked when it said not eligible because of ITIN reasons. Initially I thought it was a mistake by IRS and called them up but there was no answer.
Now, I have little hope that they'll classify people who filed H1+H4 jointly should atleast consider for $600 benefit. I'm with two children and had initially high hope and a long list for spending the amount. But now that is all past....
I would like to thank you everyone for taking this step of passing on the information and following up with legal, SSA & IRS authorities. Please do let everyone in the list know if as a group anything can be done. I would also like to share towards it. I live Redmond, WA.
This is not right when other people who filed singly received the money not we. We're treated as illegal and I believe this is a discrimination for this group of people.
Shyam.
After checking in google, I found this information and felt very happy about it.
Until yesterday I was not aware of this condition and expecting the benefit from IRS. After checking the IRS schedule and validating the benefit, I was shocked when it said not eligible because of ITIN reasons. Initially I thought it was a mistake by IRS and called them up but there was no answer.
Now, I have little hope that they'll classify people who filed H1+H4 jointly should atleast consider for $600 benefit. I'm with two children and had initially high hope and a long list for spending the amount. But now that is all past....
I would like to thank you everyone for taking this step of passing on the information and following up with legal, SSA & IRS authorities. Please do let everyone in the list know if as a group anything can be done. I would also like to share towards it. I live Redmond, WA.
This is not right when other people who filed singly received the money not we. We're treated as illegal and I believe this is a discrimination for this group of people.
Shyam.
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rajsand
09-20 01:51 PM
Yeah Macaca
That hurts to see so many people using IV for tracking receipts on the day of the rally but not participating in the struggle IV is putting up just for them!!
But know what I think as members we have really considered all of them as one..! I mean.. we should have given special attention to DC and the neighbouring states to fetch in max people.. 'coz we can depend on them for proximity..! we have majorly focussed on getting people from various states..well that again paid off .. 'coz news articles particularly mentioned people flew in from states as far as CA etc..
We cannot consider a person from texas or seattle to be the same as one in DC / VA .. Its definitely hard to convince to attend a rally .. how can we convince to take a day/2 off and travel leaving family and rest !!
Its sounds good and practical for some but many others will not concur!
I think we learn from our doings...! we should next time try and rope in as many locals as possible than depend on people coming from afar!
That hurts to see so many people using IV for tracking receipts on the day of the rally but not participating in the struggle IV is putting up just for them!!
But know what I think as members we have really considered all of them as one..! I mean.. we should have given special attention to DC and the neighbouring states to fetch in max people.. 'coz we can depend on them for proximity..! we have majorly focussed on getting people from various states..well that again paid off .. 'coz news articles particularly mentioned people flew in from states as far as CA etc..
We cannot consider a person from texas or seattle to be the same as one in DC / VA .. Its definitely hard to convince to attend a rally .. how can we convince to take a day/2 off and travel leaving family and rest !!
Its sounds good and practical for some but many others will not concur!
I think we learn from our doings...! we should next time try and rope in as many locals as possible than depend on people coming from afar!
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singhsa3
12-10 12:43 PM
I second this idea.
Why can't we move from a free service to a membership based and see how many people still continue ... evenif with 25K members it is only a handful who are active and part of the initiative ... so I would suggest to go for a membership ...
it could be a per month basis or pay a big amount and get membership for life or year ... say $200 for a year or $20 for a month ... we don't need the number/mass unless they are active in all way ... just my thoughts ... hope the IV core team will consider that ... enough of free rides ... now pay for it and get the access to forums ... :mad:
Why can't we move from a free service to a membership based and see how many people still continue ... evenif with 25K members it is only a handful who are active and part of the initiative ... so I would suggest to go for a membership ...
it could be a per month basis or pay a big amount and get membership for life or year ... say $200 for a year or $20 for a month ... we don't need the number/mass unless they are active in all way ... just my thoughts ... hope the IV core team will consider that ... enough of free rides ... now pay for it and get the access to forums ... :mad:
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nakella
09-20 04:22 PM
How about some good video's on You Tube which makes as case for all us. The more the number of hits , we might be on Icaught or in news eventually.
I guess video should be more create and to the point to get attention.
Inexpensive definitely don't know far the voice will reach. Worth giving a shot i guess !!
I guess video should be more create and to the point to get attention.
Inexpensive definitely don't know far the voice will reach. Worth giving a shot i guess !!
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10-03 06:11 PM
I'm in.
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Michael chertoff
03-28 08:34 PM
Now Tony, unless you are lacking in any confidence, you wouldn't be acting out like a big baby here. Now shut the trap up and learn to ignore the irrelevant bickerings.
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ghouse1742
05-03 04:15 PM
This is just beautiful. THANK YOU !!!. I will defintely look into this. This looks very promising to me. Like me there are lot of my friends who have their spouses on ITIN for their own reasons and would not have received a single penny. Thanks again for posting this information.
cagedcactus
10-10 12:38 PM
There are many here (on IV forums) who question if Lobbying and Grassroots efforts really works. It they didn't, we wouldn't be here!
Read the following article on early Indian Immigrants and their miserable conditions before 1946. How they overcame the racist/xenophobic labor groups opposition through lobbying and grassroots efforts and became citizens.
http://www.sikhspectrum.com/082006/citizen.htm
Read the article, become motivated, join MI chapter. Together we shall prevail
True stuff...
Those who question the lobbying and efforts are not really questioning it. They are actually saying that lets do nothing and let system figure it out itself. well, cant blame them. But we will move forward. We will do everything we can at local level to make sure that we are heard.
Read the following article on early Indian Immigrants and their miserable conditions before 1946. How they overcame the racist/xenophobic labor groups opposition through lobbying and grassroots efforts and became citizens.
http://www.sikhspectrum.com/082006/citizen.htm
Read the article, become motivated, join MI chapter. Together we shall prevail
True stuff...
Those who question the lobbying and efforts are not really questioning it. They are actually saying that lets do nothing and let system figure it out itself. well, cant blame them. But we will move forward. We will do everything we can at local level to make sure that we are heard.
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